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Whilst quietly supping a pint of bitter in my local pub with a good mate of mine, he suddenly blurted out that he hadn’t slept in a week after receiving a letter from a firm of debt collectors, chasing him for a debt he had many years ago. I must admit he did look a bit knackered, and whilst us blokes don’t normally talk about such things, he knew that I knew a thing or two about debts and wanted some advice.
The letter said that he had to pay £11,003.38p within 14 days or field agents would call at his home to discuss ways of paying the money back. What should he do? Ignore it and hope it would go away again or should he pick up the phone and talk to the Debt Collection Agency (DCA)? Hmmm. harassment, intimidation… that’s for another blog, let’s focus on this one.
I asked what his Missus thought, silly question as I got the expected, ‘I daren’t tell her’. This was all before they met he said. ‘I don’t know what to do, we are struggling as it is, don’t need this’.
I knew he has been married for over six years and a further questioning established that the debt was in his name only, was on a personal loan he had many years ago and that about eight years ago he fell out of work for a year and had not paid or heard anything since. The solution then began to look quite simple as in this case the debt would have been ‘statute barred’ under the Limitations Act 1980 which applies to residents of
Under the Act creditors/lenders are given a fixed period of time to chase their debtors/borrowers. The time scale mainly depends on the type of debt and can be extended at the courts discretion. The time limit begins when the named individuals on the agreement last admitted owing the money or made a payment.
Should the creditor/lender fail to maintain contact with the debtor for a period of six years or more and no payment has been made, it is possible to claim that the outstanding debt is "Statute Barred" under the conditions of the Act.
After I had explained to my good friend that the letter was likely to be a ‘fishing’ exercise by an opportunist debt collection agency and that they would not be able to pursue the debt through the courts he couldn’t have been more delighted and relieved. Whether he eventually told his wife about the issue I will never know!
Thousands of people receive requests for payments on debts, mainly on credit cards and loans, from lenders and DCAs. Some demands are fair and reasonable but many are not with the firm demanding the money often having no legal basis to claim and therefore unable to take the borrower to court, even though threatening this in their communications.
What is worrying is that many people actually respond to these letters because they do not know how to deal with them, feeling guilty or frightened of the implied threat of being taken to court.
Read the letter carefully, break down the content, what do they mean, are they fishing, do they have anything at all but most of all don’t be panicked.
Just because someone has written to you demanding money ‘or else’ does not mean you have to pay them. Weed out the chancers and opportunists that have no legal basis to pursue you for the alleged debt. One way to deal with a request for payment on an old debt is just to ignore it but if they persist do not acknowledge or admit the debt.
You would do no harm in writing something similar to ‘before I can begin to understand the basis of your claim please furnish me with a breakdown of what sum is capital, interest and fees…. the date of the last payment that was made on the account…. under what authority are you writing… do you own the debt or are you an agent, if so who are you representing? You know the stuff. I write this sort of letter a dozen or so times a year for my clients and have so far been 100% successful in ending things there and then.
The key to all this is when was the last payment made on the account in question. If not within the last six years by any named person on the agreement (sole or joint names), and neither has acknowledged or made a payment in the past six years, then the debt is statute barred and the creditor/lender or agent cannot take the matter to court.
There are, as always, exceptions to this and different rules apply in
I agree that we should always pay our debts, especially when we have the means to pay. However I do have an issue with lenders or DCAs that cannot get their acts together to ensure the debt is still legally recoverable through the courts as arguably they deserve to have the debt statute barred.
Rules are made to benefit both parties; lenders know these particular rules only too well; consumers now just need to wise up to their rights.
We have a template letter for you and more information at the Debtwizard guide to dealing with old debts.
Debtwizard Sunday, 28 February 2010
Edward
Thank you for finding the time to post your story, I am sure it will help others and be a warning about how banks treat consumers. You done well to stand by your rights, your case is not one of borrowing money with the intention of getting your debt written off by a 'claims management company' you instead had triggers through loss of work and duped by another person, not forgetting you raised your boys on your own.
Well done for standing your ground and fighting your consumer rights.
Best wishes
Mike
Edward Harper (Guest) Sunday, 28 February 2010
Hello Mike, About a year or so after my ex wife had gone I took up with another woman who was living in a council flat and looking after her small grandson. About a year into the relationship she asked me if she could borrow some money but as a single parent myself, paying a morgage, looking after my own two sons, and already having a loan of my own to pay off from a previous purchase I told here I didn't have any spare cash. (Should have rung alarm bells then eh ?) She persuaded me that she could pay off a loan of a £1000.00 but *I* would have to take it out in my name. (Just gets worse)
I did this and initally she was paying me and I could put money in the bank. Suddenly I was out of work, through no fault of my own and with no redundancy to fall back on for my own bills.
I was paying off MY inital loan at a reduced rate of £20.00 per month and the bank seemed happy with this but wanted more and sent me a form insisting I combine both loans and they would set up a direct debit for more than I could afford.
I spoke to them and refused to sign the form and even though they sent me a second I never signed that nor took it back either....
Eventually I got one of those "See you in court" letter about this "combined loan". That is until I asked them to sent me a copy of the signed agreement that I would be paying off both loans in one payment.
Finally after months of harrasment, "somebody" realised they had screwed up and stopped chasing me for the money and the debt got cancelled because of the way the bank had handled the matter.
Yes, I was still struggling to pay my morgage, Yes, I still had to buy my two boys their school clothes and feed them every day...Yes, all of the other billls, gas, phone , electric etc were still coming in, but at least I wasn't getting threatened to go to prison for a debt I wasn't able to pay.
My own loan was for about £3000.00 and I had only paid off about £700 or £800 at the time, so you can imagine the relief when the rest of it was cancelled. This was many years ago and fortunately that mogage is long since paid off and having moved to a much smaller place in the countryside, well away from the London rat race, money is now not so much of a problem.
I know I will never be as rich as a politican :-( but at least have found somewhere I want to be, and someone, I want to be with.
I hope this can be a similar "happy ending" for other of your readers.
kind regards
Edward
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