Is it fair for banks to raid your savings to pay your debts?

Page last updated Friday, 23 July 2010

Is there anything you can do to stop a bank taking money out of one account to pay off debts in another account you hold with them?

During the past week or so I received calls from two people, both of whom had money taken from their bank accounts by their banks to pay off their credit card debt. 

Both asked, “Can a bank do this, legally?” and I said, “The short answer is yes.” This practice is known in the trade as “setting-off” and while there are some restrictions it is perfectly legal.

What exactly is setting-off?

Setting off is when a bank uses the money held in one account to pay off a debt in another account held with the same bank.

So for example, if you have an account you pay your utility bills from at the end of each month and your credit card bill, with the same bank, is due a week before, you bank could potentially take money out of this account to pay the bill if there are insufficient funds in your other account to pay for it. 

This would be unbeknown to you, as you will not receive notification from the bank in case you move the money away. So the bank takes money from the account to pay the credit card bill and it is no longer there to pay your utilities. 

Can I get my money back?

If you’re caught out, as in the above scenario, then you need to contact the bank and ask for your money back but you will need to prove that you suffered as result of the bank’s setting-off. 

In the case above the bank has set-off on one account to pay its non-priority, unsecured credit card bill leaving you with no money to pay your priority utility bills, which could also include your mortgage or rent. You will need to send copies of your late payment reminders on any of your priority bills, stating that they were caused by the bank setting off, and demand the bank refunds the money it took under this set-off.

Also, make the point that the bank is to treat you fairly, sympathetically and positively, as required by its banking code. 

Why are the banks allowed to do this?

According to the Financial Ombudsman Service (FOS), the right that allows a financial firm to set-off dates back to the 19th century. This entitlement allows the firm to monitor a customer’s financial position and to combine accounts held by that customer, even though this is not detailed in the terms and conditions of any accounts.

The size of the set-off that the bank can take from other accounts must relate to the size of the missed payment. This means the bank can only take money equal to the size of the monthly payment that was due, not the whole loan.             

The Lending Standards Board issued minimum standards which came into force on 1 May 2010 covering the use of the right to set-off. 

Those customers most likely to be affected by a set-off are those on lower incomes and those struggling with their debts and missing payments on loans or credit card commitments to the bank or institution.

What’s an institution?

Some banks are connected to each other such as Santander, Abbey, Alliance & Leicester and Bradford & Bingley and classed as being under one institute. It is, however, difficult to know exactly who belongs to who. To help you narrow it down, take a look the FSA's list of UK banking and savings groups, it’s not a full list but it gets close. 

The bottom line is that accounts with different banks that come under the umbrella of one institution can be raided.

The bank has refused my claim

If 8 weeks passes from the date you raised your complaint about setting off and the bank has not resolved the issue to your satisfaction, then you can go to the Financial Ombudsman Service (FOS). This is a free service and they will investigate your complaint. Contact the FOS online or call  0800 0234 567.

How do I prevent this from happening to me?

Have sufficient funds in your bank account to pay your debts when they are due!

If you can’t do this because you are struggling to meet your bills, including debts, then get professional advice.  You may also need to think about getting a new bank account, preferably with a bank or institution that you do not owe money, as this would stop the credit card or loan repayment being taken.

Some people will say you need to pay your debts off using your savings and I can’t really argue with that. Especially since savings offer very little interest at present and credit cards charge massive interest.

Is setting off a big problem?

It has been difficult to establish the exact number of consumers caught out as those affected do not necessarily report it to the FOS when it happens. The FOS has said that they have so far handled over a 1,000 cases - just make sure you are not one of them!

Keep control

To save any risk of this happening to you keep your finances under control. If you are missing payments and the overdraft, credit cards are maxed out then think about getting professional advice fast.  We have a list of very useful contacts.


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ANDREW Friday, 30 July 2010

Get rid of your MORTGAGE Lawfully, read this, use this, understand this, send it to your bank, then take them to court, the Judge is a Government agent anyway so you will not be able to expect him her to rule for the Claimant, but that would only be because Judges are apt to lying..............read on

I refer to your default Notice and wish to advise you that I have Noticed your Notice, and that your negotiable instrument has been accepted for Value upon proof of claim which may be substantiated by the full disclosure of the following debt details within 7 working days upon receival of this recorded delivery letter . Your response shall be sent back to me recorded signed for delivery to A FICTION™plc (Bonded Slave) at the address at the top of this Notice. I agree to settle in accordance with the Bills of Exchange Act 1882 upon satisfactory receipt of the following:

Point 1

Proof of the existence of the account or contract of the actual flesh and blood name of Sovereign Aname of the Fiction family (soul of Man), duly signed and witnessed by both parties, not the unilateral agreement, and upon which signed page gives reference to the entire agreement. Please note A FICTION™plc (Bonded Slave) is an artificial entity and limited liability legal fiction. Trade Mark of which constitutes valuable intellectual property and all rights titles interests are reserved.

LAWFUL MAXIMS
Jus non habenti tute non paretur. – It is safe not to obey a person who has no right.
Debitum et contractus sunt nullius loci. – Debt and contract belong to no particular place.

Point 2

Proof of claim that you are the current holder of the original mentioned debt instrument and that it has not been on sold to another party.

Point 3

A copy of the actual accounting that shows COMPANY™plc has occurred a financial loss for the alleged debt.

Point 3

A bill or Invoice not a statement for any amount of money allegedly owing or owed to COMPANY™plc by A FICTION™plc (Bonded Slave)

Point 4

A explanation of what exactly are "Sovereign Bonds" and "Sovereign Debt"? And why the EUROPEAN UNION™plc did not include these items in their recent :Bank stress tests: (23-07-2010)

Point 5

What proof of claim can you provide that there actually is any UK™plc National Debt and that there is any lawful currency in Exchange and Circulation backed by anything of value,not by any name of Species?

Point 6

An explanation of why the previous and current statements sent to me showing alleged account arrears do not show clearly that this is due to alleged separate charges and interest. An explanation of why the previous and current statements sent to me showing alleged account arrears were and are sent to Mr Aname Fiction or Mr A Fiction and not the correct A FICTION™plc (Bonded Slave) in all capitals which refers to the fictional person without gender.

Failure to respond in full and in substance within Seven (07) days of receipt of this Notice will automatically discharge any alleged outstanding debt, it will be deemed by all parties to mean you and your principal or other parties, have failed to provide evidence of the the alleged debt and they have defaulted to Estoppel.

DISCLAMER:

Please note that incorrectly addressed mail will be returned unopened and unread and all correspondence from this point must be sent by recorded delivery only.
A FICTION™plc (Bonded Slave) does not authorise the recording of his voice at any time for any purpose nor does he consent to being contacted by telephone and shall enforce his copyrights in all instances such as copyright infringement or Trademark Violation. No authorization for the use of
:A-FICTION:™plc (Bonded Slave) is implied granted or permitted.
A FICTION™plc (Bonded Slave) agrees to hold harmless Sovereign Aname of the Fiction family (soul of Man) for all claims of liability under private contract between the parties.

All outstanding fines/debts that have arisen from alleged transgression of statutes are illegitimate and unlawful as they were all forced upon the Affiant by the use of; fraud, misrepresentation, intimidation, duress and threats against me from agents of the (court) Company. Extortion is a crime when, by colour of office, any person extorts what is not due.


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