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I am never surprised at the lengths debt collectors will go to recover money for their clients, but what can you expect when these individuals and companies are on commission? The more they collect the more they earn for themselves - it’s not rocket science.
When was the last time you heard someone saying that they couldn’t wait for their friendly debt collector to pop round for tea?
Creditors and debt collectors, in a lot of instances, work under the rule of “he who shouts the loudest gets paid” and they will therefore annoy, badger, disturb, exhaust, harry, jade, perplex, pester, plague, tease, tire, torment, trouble, vex, weary and worry to get paid, in other words to “annoy or trouble constantly”, reference: Collins dictionary.
People won’t talk about being in debt and debt collectors know this which is why they get away with murder, knowing that little will be done about their tactics for fear of letting out their dirty secret. Also most of us, through lack of awareness, simply don’t know our consumer rights when faced with aggressive debt collectors.
Just a few days ago the OFT released their updated ‘Debt Collection Guidelines Oct 2011’ which included a section banning debt collectors from ‘poking’ users on Facebook or leaving messages. Some collectors had also moved on to Twitter in the hope of embarrassing the debtor into coughing up money.
Apart from some of these messages being less than subtle, even threatening, with some social network users complaining of intimidation, whatever messages were left could invariably be read by others.
Debt collectors were not just trying to embarrass debtors into paying their debts, they were gaining valuable information about their prey, such as ‘just about to go to the Caribbean for two weeks all inclusive’ or ‘just got my new iPhone 4S’ which told a debt collector that people had the means to pay and were a ‘won’t payer and not a can’t payer’.
Well before social network sites were thought of, debt collectors would put cards through letter boxes or communal hallways in flats saying they had called. Another trick was to leave phone messages at the borrower’s home so that they could be picked up by anyone, or to post a card saying ‘call this number you have won something’.
I remember a few years ago when a firm of solicitors wrote to me asking if I knew the whereabouts of my ex neighbour who had moved some months earlier. The letter said they needed to contact him urgently but a quick punt around on the net revealed they were after collecting a debt!
As long debt collectors are paid a commission on what they collect we will continue to see all kinds of inventions, scams and cons to get contact, a bite.
Other improvements in the new guidelines mentioned above include the need for clarification over statute barred debts (old debts) for both England and Scotland, (although I feel the Scottish came out better on this), disputed debts and instructions on what debt collectors need to do when dealing with consumers that have mental health issues.
Hopefully, as a result of these revised guidelines, we will see less of the sort of activities mentioned above and hopefully, a certain debt collector will stop calling one of my clients up to six times in the same day!
More on the debt collection guidelines here - OFT to stop the shady side of debt collection plus template letters for harassment, disputed debt and old debts.
Fred Whispers Tuesday, 07 February 2012
I am never surprised at the lengths claims management companies and DM's will go to sign mugs up. But what can you expect when these individuals and companies are on commission? The more they collect the more they earn for themselves - it’s not rocket science.
When was the last time you heard someone saying that they couldn’t wait for their friendly debt advisor to pop round for tea?
CMC's and DM's in a lot of instances, work under the rule of “he who shouts the loudest gets the client” and they will therefore annoy, badger, disturb, exhaust, harry, jade, perplex, pester, plague, tease, tire, torment, trouble, vex, weary and worry to get paid, in other words to “annoy or trouble constantly”, reference: Collins dictionary.
People won’t talk about being in debt and DM's and CMC's know this which is why they get away with murder, knowing that little will be done about their tactics for fear of letting out their dirty secret. Also most of us, through lack of awareness, simply don’t know our consumer rights when faced with aggressive CMC's.
Just a few months ago the OFT released their updated ‘Debt Management Guidelines Oct 2011’. Most DM's and CMC's basically ignore it!
As long DM's and CMC's are paid a commission on what they collect we will continue to see all kinds of inventions, scams and cons to get contact, a bite.
Hopefully, as a result of these revised guidelines, we will see less of the appalling activities mentioned these companies get up to and hopefully, a certain CMC will stop calling one of my clients up to six times in the same day!
David Murray (Guest) Monday, 21 November 2011
With regard to the comment that some debtors were placing inappropriate information about themselves on social network sites such as facebook, these people have no sympathy from me. As a retired Town Councillor who has, in the past, done much to assist genuine people in great difficulties, I do feel that those who go to the Caribbean are very few and far between! However, mobile phones are everywhere and those who boast about the purchase of the latest model should be more careful. Having said that, if, as in many of the cases I handled, people were out of work and living in rented property on benefits or with relatives, there is little the debt collectors can do if the debtor states that they are unable to make any form of repayment at all. In these circumstances, it is best to bring this to the attention of the creditor and state that any pressure applied by a debt collector will be unlawful and the matter reported to the police. It has long been my opinion that, in hopeless cases, where the circumstances are brought to the attention of the creditor/debt collector, continued harassment in an attempt to secure some form of repayment is unlawful.
David Murray (Guest) Monday, 14 November 2011
As long as debt is regarded as shameful, the debt collectors have a lever. The answer is simple:tell your creditor you are clues up, not ashamed, and not able to pay anything. Three years ago I told my credit card company I could not pay. I invited then to take me to court straight away rather than subject me and my family to years of harassment from debt collectors. I am sure you can imagine what happened! The position now is that they have all given up and the bank will not take me to court as I have grounds for a counterclaim for harassment!
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Just had some tw*t from overseas call me up to say I have a virus on my computer. What planet is he on? 'Scammer' ?
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